I will call it gravy, and I will defend my fellow Italian Americans who call it sauce. No such name for any pasta condiment. VIDEO: Robert De Niro Slams President Trump During Al Pacino’s Award Speech, We are giving away a free Italian Horn Keychain. Either way, it tastes the same, and is delicious. How many jars of spaghetti sauce have you seen, “Spaghetti Gravy,” “Redpack Tomato Gravy”, “Spaghetti with meat gravy”, “Bolognese Gravy”, “Hunts Tomato Gravy”. the point being the ” sauce is not made from the meat that you put in it. Gruongo, “eel,” ruongo. Not all American gravy is white, it seems, just breakfast "gravy" that you eat with biscuits. Advertisement Another prominent Italian American voice wished I hadn’t asked at all. Some may resemble a more old-school gravy – starting with gravy granules, or thickening with cornflour. It was always called salsa. Cara Francis, my Papa was from Molfetta in Puglia. In our New York Italian family we call Sunday Gravy, Gravy because it has a variety of meats in it and cooked for a few hours. Like the Italian-American people and their foodways, neither will die out any time soon. Many, many I am sure. The term British people use for what Americans consider to be cookies is 'biscuits.' In 1870 the great gastrognome Pellegrino Artusi, personal chef to King Emmanuel I and Emmanuel II, toured the entire country of Italy collecting recipes from each province. A single or double “r” in Neapolitan can mean there was a “g” at the beginning of the word. How many other commonly used terms in English or any language for that matter can trace their origins to a mistake or a misinterpretation? In Old French, “graue” was a more popular spelling than “grave,” which leads me to believe this word originates from Latin because of the pronunciation of the “v.” It would be the same as a “u,” i.e., oo. Both camps insist only “real” Italians say the word they use. Granulo, “hail,” ranulo. In that book he cites that “for Pomodoro and Marinara it is call sauce. Your comment just perpetuates the stereotype that italian Americans are arrogant and full of themselves. Its a slang term I believe about testicles haha, Sorry, that’s not true. Meat Sauce id Meat Sauce. In 1902, an Italian woman described her tomato sauce as “gravy” in the New-York Daily Tribune, and Chef Boyardee canned his … (Bear in mind that Old French was the language of the Angevins, from Anjou, who were rulers of Naples in the 14th century.) I noticed the more americanized Italians say gravy. Typically referred to as a sauce but it wouldn’t be wrong to call it a gravy. In the South it can mean a sauce made from sausage drippings, flour, and milk that is often poured over flaky buttermilk biscuits.If you are Italian-American, gravy (or Sunday gravy) might be the huge pot of tomato based ragù made on weekends for a big family gathering. brown gravy is for meat and mashed potatoes……GRAVY! We grew up calling it sauce. Learn how to make Perfect Turkey Gravy. Pudding in America: Pudding in Britain: Abpphotography / Getty Images, Cheche22 / Getty Images, … Other success we call by there true name Ie, Spaghetti agile e olio etc. I call It Sauce, But I Am Sure other members of my Family Call It Gravy, I agree with Susanne; Gravy goes on Roast Beef And Biscuits. I just asked my husband as well, who is British and has lived in the States for nearly a decade now...he couldn't think of anything either. Make the pledge and become a member of Italian Sons and Daughters of America today! Well before tomatoes arrived in Europe from South America many hundreds of years ago and along time before Italians went to the Americas. Sauce or gravy? What do you think? . We called marinara sauce ‘friday gravy’ because it had no meat. Just because it is not a direct translation does not mean it is wrong. P.S. In the US, the fat is the essential component. It’s easy to argue because both sides have great points for and against them. To our friends we called it sauce so they would understand. This is where I was told the phrases came to change through the years as the dish was Americanized. Don’t let anyone convince you that words you use in your native language are not legitimate. Our family calls it sauce or sugo, not gravy, but we are Italian-Canadian, not Italian-American. I have two degrees, one in Linguistics, by the way, and until I the day I die, I will refer to sauce with a variety of meats in it as gravy. Why Italians Argue About The Term. Felicity Cloake’s perfect gravy. I have made this hundreds of times. I don’t remember Grandmom, from Campagna calling it either. Biscuits and gravy is a popular breakfast dish in the United States, especially in the South. Pizza Gravy?? so that’s what i call it. https://www.thespruceeats.com/easy-traditional-beef-gravy-recipe-435754 That is the question among connoisseurs of Italian cuisine, when it comes to whether you should call your favorite pasta toping “sauce” or “gravy.” It’s an age-old food fight that’s still simmering today, and not even Italian-American chefs can agree on which to call what — or why. A “v” in Latin and Neapolitan is spoken as a “w,” i.e., g-rau-e. Now, add the fact that Neapolitans tend to leave off the last vowel and we get just “grau.”. Both terms appear in 19 th and early 20 th century cookbooks, newspapers, menus, and advertising for American-type sauces/gravies. My grandfather immigrated from Sicily. Salsa, sugo, ragú are. It is sause, gravy goes on mashed potatoes. Get over it already! From what gather the first and second generation italian dont call it gravy. Got it, as you say? Once they learned it wasn’t turkey fat on pasta, then gravy. In fact, if you even clicked opened this article instead of posted your opinion in the comments, you are one in a hundred! And sauce is what u dip in. The other opinion is that it’s actually kind of cool to have a term unique to Italian-Americans. The true word is SAUCE. When I was a boy my parents (1st gen Americans both of whose parents were from Naples [dad] and Bari [mom]) called meat sauce gravy, largely because my father did. So regardless of it’s origin, it is a legitimate term in English because native English speakers use it. However, the food of Italian Americans, as I write in my book, Authentic Italian, is primarily from Southern Italy, which had an oral tradition. Get it it. If you translate “Sugo” to English you get “Sauce” but when you translate “Ragú” to English you get “Ragout.” Ragout is a French-styled stew. Italian Sons & Daughters 419 Wood St., #3 Pittsburgh, PA 15222 T. (412) 261-3550 E. info@orderisda.org, © 2020 Italian Sons & Daughters of America, The Sopranos and Italian Dialects: The Real Story of Our Language, Your Language Roadmap to Maneuver Through Italy’s Restaurant Scene. Enjoying life at 90 years of age. My mom used both! The “g” in the “gu” is silent or elongates the “u” sound. As owner and content creator for Hardcore Italians for over 10+ years, I have seen this argument pop-up countless times. I have never heard it pronounced like that ra-yuu? I don’t understand. Gravy doesn’t exist in Italy anywhere (also, Italian alphabet doesn’t have the letter “y”). NY Times food editor Craig Claiborne wrote in 1979 that there was no difference, but the word sauce had a “more sophisticated ring to it.”. I grew up in the New Orleans are where many Italian immigrants made their American homes. Cookies are what American’t call UK biscuits. Lots of fun. I think it’s a silly thing to argue about. In English he called it “Gravy”. It gets even more confusing when you think of Bolognese. I am first generation Italian and my family never called it gravy or ragu. Thank you for your thoroughness. Why are Italian Americans so passionate about sauce or gravy? But I think both sauce and gravy are correct. There’s a few differences between British English and American English words for food. Yes, Italians use very small amounts of sauce on pasta and are shocked by the copious amounts used in the US. on Is it Sauce or Gravy? She has written and/or edited for Glamour, Family Circle, Time Out New York, the American Bar Association, and more, on many topics, including food and Italian culture. Maybe this will help. In the United States, depending on where you are, gravy can refer to a couple of different things. That is actually how it is termed in the definition. Later it spread to Chicago, Philly and Jersey as the Italians did. Yes sauce!! Lightly coating is a sauce. For the purist ,when you come from Italy to USA you are Italian and the name is sugo salsa e ragù than i you melt and you still are Italian but your sons became Americans and call the sauce gravy , gravy is never a sauce I am an international Italian chef , the main reason when 200 years ago the Italians came to the USA ,almost all came from the south of Italy and they were mostly agricultures you can imagine they didn’t speak Italian because they didn’t go to school they spoke the Italian dialet from the region they were coming from so this people had the audacity not speaking Italian not knowing English to invent a knew word from sauce to gravy and in this country they should fix the dictionary because sauce is never gravy and never will be. It is obvious that the term gravy is not Italian and it doesn’t exist in Italy. I was born in Genova, northern Italy. Grappo, a “bunch” in Neapolitan, can also be rappo. My retort is, “Gravy has flour in it, but that don’t make it bread!”. but, as you say, either way it is delicious. Somewhere along the way my mom stopped calling meat sauce gravy and started calling it meat sauce to differentiate it from marinara sauce. I was aware of Kellogg’s Pop-Tarts thanks to American television shows, and when I saw boxes of them stacked into a great pyramid at the end of aisle seven down our local Sainsbury’s, my excitement was almost too much to bear. 3. The dish consists of soft dough biscuits covered in either sawmill or meat gravy, made from the drippings of cooked pork sausage, white flour, milk, and often (but not always) bits of sausage, bacon, ground beef, or other meat.The gravy is often flavored with black pepper Uh, oh! The American term truck probably comes from the word truckle wheel, while the British term lorry seems to derive from “lurry,” a Northern dialect word for hauling or pulling. For example, grazie in Italian is razia in Neapolitan. It took another 20 years to get the book published. If you call this gravy what do you call the red stuff on pizza? Covered completely is a gravy. I can't think of anything that would be equivalent to Bisto. Much like shrimp and grits, however, this instinctively savory meal has become a Southern breakfast staple.Biscuits and gravy can be broken down into two essential components: the fluffy, warm buttermilk biscuits, sliced down the middle, and the thick, salty gravy. It is made from tomatos. “We don’t have a ‘gravy,’” Franca Riccardi, the director of language and culture programs at the America-Italy Society of Philadelphia, said.As an Italian-American living in Pennsylvania, I thought she might be familiar with the term. I'm not sure how appetizing it sounds but SO many people love it I'm going to give it a shot! The HBO series popularized Italian dialects, but the show only scratched the surface of our language's rich history. Visions of digestive biscuits with beef gravy aren’t that appealing. Should I call it Sauce or Gravy? Nigel Slater’s mushroom gravy is intended for a Christmas turkey, but it will certainly work with chicken. Therefore, it stands to reason “graue” can also be “rraù,” or ragù. One of the South’s signature dishes, biscuits and gravy can be enjoyed at any time of day. The word makes sense, as it directly translates to salsa, which Italians use more often. Learn British English vs American English words for foods. Photo by Louis Magnotti on Unsplash. nonsense, sauce was called gravy as a ethnic put-down by the Irish in NYC circa 1900’s. Tell us already! As a chef and a Southerner (it’s a Southern dish), I can answer this. Artusi cataloged this for his “Cook Book” La scienza in cucina e l’arte di mangiar bene. Next, I buy the gravy a drink – adding a glass of red wine for beef and lamb, white wine for chicken or a glass of cider for pork – and simmer gently for another hour. The confusion lies here. I’ve said this on many of Italian sites when this “fight” begins. It was the word we used in my family, so that’s the word I use for it when I am with them. Well, all of America will recognize the term “Sauce” with no problems. Even if I use meat in my tomato sauce, I don’t add a thickener, and I cook it slow to a nice thick, rich texture and flavor or I bang it all into a hot pan and get a fresh, lively chunkier version.. If it is made with meat in it its Gravy if not its sauce. My grandparents called it gravy so we called it gravy. For instance: ristorante, trattoria and osteria -- they're all restaurants, but they're all very different. I’ll never know it any other way, and I’m more than ok with that. One aunt would put hard boiled eggs in it. End of discussion,Thankyou! Learn how your comment data is processed. Pants in America cover you entire leg. or it’s called salsa (strictly for pasta and tomato-based), or “ragú” (meat and tomato, plus “soffritto”, note the accent). Where the term came about Meat Sauce). It ultimately comes down to an appreciation and respect of our Italian ancestors. GOT IT? It’s a shame, really! How did your family pick a side? She made it twice a week with chicken, meatballs and sausage. In the United Kingdom and Ireland, a Sunday roast is usually served with gravy. Funny cause I’m still 100% HARDCORE Italian either way and I make everything from rainbow cookies, pignoli cookies, rice balls, panelle, and pasta Sunday is still a tradition! Sugo (gravy) is thick and with meat. Since ragout and ragù are different food preparations, I think they are also different words. Just like, “are you Italian or sicilian. Its usally the 3 rd up generations! Its sauce! Biscuit or … Photo by John Cameron on Unsplash This lead to a difference in opinion. ” that has always bothered me. So, when an American in Manchester talks about walking around the house without any pants on, a British man or woman would picture the American in question as strolling around in his or her birthday suit. All caps don’t make you right, sorry. In the UK, the fat from the roasting juices is carefully skimmed off the gravy (we even have special kitchen implements to do it more efficiently). Interesting. Gruosso, “big,” ruosso. 1st gen ital/amer. For most Italians, this meant learning English! However, if you look below the surface, there is a deeper reason why people are so defensive on the topic. This debate really makes my head hurt. Tap to … Al's Kitchen also does a very credible British Indian Restaurant "base gravy" Here we have: big onions, garlic and ginger paste, tomatoes, bit of old cabbage, turnip. No meat it’s sauce.. eg pizza sauce. Of course the owner is from Jersey !! No, they use tomato sauce! The publishers turned him down because “What woman needs a book to cook from”. So… Where did the term come from? © 2020 Hardcore Italians. It’s Sauce not Gravy. Most Italian dishes we know are made differently in each province. Stop using it for sauce! Why are Italian Americans so passionate about sauce or gravy? It is also popular in different parts of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland to have gravy with just chips (mostly from a fish and chip shop). Americans were already using it to describe sauce containing meat. Gratiglia, “grill,” ratiglia. In 1902, an Italian woman described her tomato sauce as “gravy” in the New-York Daily Tribune, and Chef Boyardee canned his “sauce.”, But when did the divide become so hostile? Native Italians tended not to cook either sauce for too long, and both my paternal grandmother and my mom used very little onion for the meat sauce and only garlic (sautéed in olive oil) and basil for marinara. No one knows exactly how it started, but every Italian American knows what side they're on. 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