3 For (B)I could wish that I myself were (C)accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,[a] my kinsmen (D)according to the flesh. What is the main message and theme. . By passing over Ishmael, God showed that there was nothing of saving in blood or birth. Hosea put it well: I’ll call nobodies and make them somebodies; I’ll call the unloved and make them beloved. -determined by promise. God Is Calling His People 9 1 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers. It tells believers that our God is on the move in and through us; that His plan is moving forward. And so they stumbled into him and went sprawling. Say the welcoming word to God—“Jesus is my Master”—embracing, body and soul, God’s work of doing in us what he did in raising Jesus from the dead. They had everything going for them—family, glory, covenants, revelation, worship, promises, to say nothing of being the race that produced the Messiah, the Christ, who is God over everything, always. I’ve put a huge stone on the road to Mount Zion. I grew up with them. I’m not exaggerating—Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. 29:23; Isa. That means that Israelite identity was never racially determined by sexual transmission, but it was. 1:9, Gen. 17:2; Deut. Arithmetic is not his focus. 9 1-5 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, (Y)“For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. First, as with all theological issues, … If we can make general comments on what we think Paul was wanting to say. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham (O)because they are his offspring, but (P)“Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but (Q)the children of the promise are counted as offspring. Contributed by Mark Schaeufele on Sep 15, 2020. If God needs one style of pottery especially designed to show his angry displeasure and another style carefully crafted to show his glorious goodness, isn’t that all right? Romans 10; Romans 9 Read chapter in The Message Bible. If God needs one style of pottery especially designed to show his angry displeasure and another style carefully crafted to show his glorious goodness, isn’t that all right? It wasn’t Abraham’s sperm that gave identity here, but God’s promise. took over. It's the Israelites . From the outset, not all Israelites of the flesh were Israelites of the spirit. Romans 9:20-33-20-33 MSG. How can we sum this up? 4 They are (E)Israelites, and to them belong (F)the adoption, (G)the glory, (H)the covenants, (I)the giving of the law, (J)the worship, and (K)the promises. For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of … The problem goes back a long way. This is part of a series of posts on Romans. Hosea put it well: I’ll call nobodies and make them somebodies;    I’ll call the unloved and make them beloved.In the place where they yelled out, “You’re nobody!”    they’re calling you “God’s living children.”. gives us the metaphor for pulling this together: Careful! . Clay doesn’t talk back to the fingers that mold it, saying, “Why did you shape me like this?” Isn’t it obvious that a potter has a perfect right to shape one lump of clay into a vase for holding flowers and another into a pot for cooking beans? They were absorbed in what they themselves were doing. The same point was made when God said to Pharaoh, “I picked you as a bit player in this drama of my salvation power.” All we’re saying is that God has the first word, initiating the action in which we play our part for good or ill. Are you going to object, “So how can God blame us for anything since he’s in charge of everything? New International Version (NIV) 2 It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. 3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race, Romans 9:11. gives us the metaphor for pulling this together: Careful! you’ll find me on the way, not in the way. If there were any way I could be cursed by the Messiah so they could be blessed by him, I’d do it in a minute. But, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Romans 9:17 The same point was made when God said to Pharaoh, "I picked you as a bit player in this drama of my salvation power." Romans 9 does deal with God’s predestining Israel to be hardened 2000 years ago. 11:7, 1 Pet. 2 It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’m never free of it. 9 1 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. Either or both happens to Jews, but it also happens to the other people. The problem goes back a long way. And that’s not the only time. Remember that promise, “When I come back next year at this time, Sarah will have a son”? This is Paul’s message in Romans, and Romans 9–11 fit perfectly into this overall theme. To Rebecca, also, a promise was made that took priority over genetics. you’ll find me on the way, not in the way. I’ve put a huge stone on the road to Mount Zion,    a stone you can’t get around.But the stone is me! 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience (AE)vessels of wrath (AF)prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known (AG)the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he (AH)has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he (AI)has called, (AJ)not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? How could they miss it? These involve both Israel's place in God's plans and God's own character. 9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. Romans 9 1 I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit— 2 I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. (AS)That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, (AT)a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but that Israel (AU)who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness[d] (AV)did not succeed in reaching that law. Take a look at the breakdown of Romans 9 below. 1:25; John 1:1; 2 Cor. Either or both happens to Jews, but it also happens to the other people. 1 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. This is the core of our preaching. They’re my family. 6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. 11:31; Heb. Yes it is about Israel and Gentiles. John Piper Feb 9, 2003 374 Shares Sermon. Like … 12:19; Gal. 6-9 Don’t suppose for a moment, though, that God’s Word has malfunctioned in some way or other. I'm not exaggerating - Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? Remember that promise, “When I come back next year at this time, Sarah will have a son”? Romans 9:16 - MSG - Compassion doesn't originate in our bleeding hearts... Study verse in the The Message 11:18; Cited from Gen. 21:12; [Gal. Isaiah had looked ahead and spoken the truth: If our powerful God    had not provided us a legacy of living children,We would have ended up like ghost towns,    like Sodom and Gomorrah. 1:17; 3:21, 22; 10:6; Gal. But it certainly does not support a general theology of predestination unto heaven or hell for all human beings. I'm not exaggerating - Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. But the stone is me! How could they miss it? It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’m never free of it. If there were any way I could be cursed by the Messiah so they could be blessed by him, I’d do it in a minute. It tends very much to the clearing of a truth, to observe how the Scripture is fulfilled in it. They were so absorbed in their “God projects” that they didn’t notice God right in front of them, like a huge rock in the middle of the road. God told Rebecca, “The firstborn of your twins will take second place.” Later that was turned into a stark epigram: “I loved Jacob; I hated Esau.”, Is that grounds for complaining that God is unfair? Feb 21, 2001. God told Moses, “. I'm not exaggerating—Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. All those people who didn’t seem interested in what God was doing actually. ... Conference Message. All those people who didn’t seem interested in what God was doing actually embraced what God was doing as he straightened out their lives. 1 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. 1:20]; See ch. I'm not exaggerating—Christ and … It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. Crossway Bibles, a publishing ministry of Good News Publishers. Romans 9The Message (MSG) God Is Calling His People 9 1-5 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. Oh, yes! It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’ Romans 9:10-13 MSG. Commentary on Romans 9:25-29 (Read Romans 9:25-29) The rejecting of the Jews, and the taking in the Gentiles, were foretold in the Old Testament. Chapters 9-11 continue to discuss the implications of this key teaching from Paul. 14-18 Is that grounds for complaining that God is unfair? 25-26 God sacrificed Jesus on the altar of the world to clear that world of sin. Intro: Paul’s anguish for Israel’s salvation (vv. Don’t suppose for a moment, though, that God’s Word has malfunctioned in some way or other. 6-9 Don’t suppose for a moment, though, that God’s Word has malfunctioned in some way or other. The problem goes back a long way. God decided on this course of action in full view of the public—to set the world in the clear with himself through the sacrifice of Jesus, finally taking care of the sins he had so patiently endured. Romans 10:9-10 New International Version (NIV) 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 9 The Message (MSG) God Is Calling His People 9 1-5 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. 9 (A)I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— 2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. The problem goes back a long way. Romans 10:9, ESV: "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." In the place where they yelled out, “You’re nobody!”, they’re calling you “God’s living children.”, If each grain of sand on the seashore were numbered. 19:7; Job 8:3; 34:10; Ps. 27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: (AN)“Though the number of the sons of Israel[c] be as the sand of the sea, (AO)only a remnant of them will be saved, 28 for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” 29 And as Isaiah predicted, (AP)(AQ)“If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring,    (AR)we would have been like Sodom    and become like Gomorrah.”. From the outset, not all Israelites of the flesh were Israelites of the spirit. Isaiah (again!) 14 What shall we say then? 28:16; [Ps. Romans 9 tackles challenging and hard-to-follow issues. I grew up with them. Romans 9 1 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. Preaching Zeal That Accords with Knowledge. They have stumbled over the (AW)stumbling stone, 33 as it is written, (AX)“Behold, I am laying in Zion (AY)a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense;    (AZ)and whoever believes in him will not be (BA)put to shame.”, Copyright © 1993, 2002, 2018 by Eugene H. Peterson. If you’re looking for me,    you’ll find me on the way, not in the way. . I’ll call nobodies and make them somebodies; I’ll call the unloved and make them beloved. 2 It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. MSG Romans 9 God Is Calling His People 1-5 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. When she became pregnant by our one-of-a-kind ancestor, Isaac, and her babies were still innocent in the womb—incapable of good or bad—she received a special assurance from God. 1:8, Heb. Don't Throw It All Away Series. It’s the Israelites . what God was doing as he straightened out their lives. It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’m never free of it. (AB)Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 (AC)Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump (AD)one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 Eugene H. Peterson by NavPress Publishing. Romans 9 God's Sovereign Choice. Scripture: Romans 9:17–18, Exodus 9:8–17. 15 For he says to Moses, (X)“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. If we follow Him in faith, we will play a thrilling part in His plan for this world. Romans 10:9 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓] Romans 10:9, NIV: "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." God doesn’t count us; he calls us by name. 3:29], Deut. 2:6, 7; Cited from Isa. But the stone is me! From the outset, not all Israelites of the flesh were Israelites of the spirit. Romans 9:2: It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. . If you’re looking for me. Isaiah had looked ahead and spoken the truth: had not provided us a legacy of living children, How can we sum this up? It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’m never free of it. It’s the Israelites . By no means! . 13:19; Jer. Clay doesn’t talk back to the fingers that mold it, saying, “Why did you shape me like this?” Isn’t it obvious that a potter has a perfect right to shape one lump of clay into a vase for holding flowers and another into a pot for cooking beans? They’re my family. 2:12, ch. 32 Why? The Absoluteness of Christ and the Universality of God’s Love. They were so absorbed in their “God projects” that they didn’t notice God right in front of them, like a huge rock in the middle of the road. Do you for one moment suppose any of us knows enough to call God into question? When she became pregnant by our one-of-a-kind ancestor, Isaac, and her babies were still innocent in the womb—incapable of good or bad—she received a special assurance from God. 6-9 Don’t suppose for a moment, though, that God’s Word has malfunctioned in some way or other. God told Moses, “I’m in charge of mercy. 118:22]. The problem goes back a long way. Ishmael was the firstborn son of Abraham; but he was passed by, for the promise was, “In Isaac shall thy seed be called.” Romans 9:8-10. I'm not exaggerating - Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. To Rebecca, also, a promise was made that took priority over genetics. What God did in this case made it perfectly plain that his purpose is not a hit-or-miss thing dependent on what we do or don’t do, but a sure thing determined by his decision, flowing steadily from his initiative. I had my understanding of Romans 9 challenged by another member so I thought it would be helpful to open up a discussion on this. Who in the world do you think you are to second-guess God? I’m not exaggerating—Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. They had everything going for them—family, glory, covenants, revelation, worship, promises, to say nothing of being the race that produced the Messiah, the Christ, who is God over everything, always. 2:7; [2 Cor. And Israel, who seemed so interested in reading and talking about what God was doing, missed it. 2 It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. Click here for the contents page.. We have seen that chapters 9-11 of Romans match with chapters 3-4. 3 If there were any way I could be cursed by the Messiah so they could be blessed by him, I’d do it in a minute. That means that Israelite identity was never racially determined by sexual transmission, but it was God-determined by promise. gives us the metaphor for pulling this together: Careful! 1-3). The gospel is good news for all who believe, whether Jew or Gentile. From the outset, not all Israelites of the flesh were Israelites of the spirit. And Israel, who seemed so interested in reading and talking about what God was doing, missed it. For (Z)who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, (AA)to answer back to God? Romans 9 King James Version (KJV). The same point was made when God said to Pharaoh, “I picked you as a bit player in this drama of my salvation power.” All we’re saying is that God has the first word, initiating the action in which we play our part for good or ill. 19 Are you going to object, “So how can God blame us for anything since he’s in charge of everything? Who in the world do you think you are to second-guess God? I've put a huge stone on the road to Mount Zion, a stone you can't get around. If you're looking for me, you'll find me on the way, not in the way. He and his father both served as Pharisees. Remember how it was put: “Your family will be defined by Isaac”? To Rebecca, also, a promise was made that took priority over genetics. When she became pregnant by our one-of-a-kind ancestor, Isaac, and her babies were still innocent in the womb—incapable of good or bad—she received a special assurance from God. 20-33 Who in the world do you think you are to second-guess God? Because instead of trusting God, they took over. Please enter your email address associated with your Salem All-Pass account, then click Continue. . I’m not exaggerating—Christ and the Holy Spirit are my witnesses. I think this … 25 As indeed he says in Hosea, (AK)“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’    and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”26 (AL)“And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’    there they will be called (AM)‘sons of the living God.’”. The problem goes back a long way. Careful! Not so fast, please. God told Rebecca, “The firstborn of your twins will take second place.” Later that was turned into a stark epigram: “I loved Jacob; I hated Esau.”. Do you for one moment suppose any of us knows enough to call God into question? 2:16; 3:24; Phil. 3:9; Heb. If the big decisions are already made, what say do we have in it?”. Read verse in The Message Bible It wasn’t Abraham’s sperm that gave identity here, but God’s, Remember how it was put: “Your family will be defined by Isaac”? 30 What shall we say, then? 10-13 And that’s not the only time. But the stone is me! ESV® Text Edition: 2016. In chapters 3-4, Paul explains that a right-standing before God is not based on ethnicity or works, but is given to all who have faith in Christ. Because instead of trusting God. 9 For this is what the promise said: (R)“About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only so, but (S)also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of (T)him who calls— 12 she was told, (U)“The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, (V)“Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”. Paul was both Jewish and a Roman citizen. In the place where they yelled out, “You’re nobody!”, they’re calling you “God’s living children.”, If each grain of sand on the seashore were numbered. What God did in this case made it perfectly plain that his purpose is not a hit-or-miss thing dependent on what we do or don’t do, but a sure thing determined by his decision, flowing steadily from his initiative. Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. I’m in charge of compassion.” Compassion doesn’t originate in our bleeding hearts or moral sweat, but in God’s mercy. 4:24; Eph. The Holy Bible, English Standard Version. Paul begins by declaring how heartbroken he is about the state of his people Israel. It’s an enormous pain deep within me, and I’m never free of it. | 488 views. and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”, Upgrade to Bible Gateway Plus, and access the, 2 Cor. If you’re looking for me. God doesn’t count us; he calls us by name. Do you for one moment suppose any of us knows enough to call God into question? And so they stumbled into him and went sprawling. . Romans 9:7. Amen. Scripture: Romans 9… They were absorbed in what they themselves were doing. 29:14; Gal. Oh, yes! had not provided us a legacy of living children, How can we sum this up? And that’s not the only time. Romans 9 makes some bald statements that, in spite of the theme and focus of the context cannot be ignored. in charge of compassion.” Compassion doesn’t originate in our bleeding hearts or moral sweat, but in God’s mercy. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. Romans 9 God Is Calling His People 1-5 At the same time, you need to know that I carry with me at all times a huge sorrow. 49:18; 50:40; Amos 4:11, ch. (At the bottom of this post, you’ll find an overview of Romans 9 and a list of questions to ask if you happen to be teaching this chapter.) I'm not exaggerating - Christ … (W)Is there injustice on God's part? If the big decisions are already made, what say do we have in it?”. Romans 9:33: Isaiah (again!) Romans 9:25-26. . 5 To them belong (L)the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, (M)who is God over all, (N)blessed forever. 32:4; 2 Chr. 92:15, Deut. It’s the word of faith that welcomes God to go to work and set things right for us. Yes it is about Israel and Gentiles. Isaiah (again!) What does Romans chapter 9 mean? It's an enormous pain deep within me, and I'm never free of it. It’s the Israelites . Having faith in him sets us in the clear. All those people who didn’t seem interested in what God was doing actually. How God Makes Known the Riches of His Glory to the Vessels of Mercy. 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